May 25, 2023
Atlanta Child Murders

In this episode, learn what links convivted killer Wayne Williams to the Atlanta Child Murders case and how he was caught. Many (including some family of the victims) don't share the opinion that he was responsible. Hear about evidense that was...
In this episode, learn what links convivted killer Wayne Williams to the Atlanta Child Murders case and how he was caught. Many (including some family of the victims) don't share the opinion that he was responsible. Hear about evidense that was allegedly withheld from the public that may implicate the Ku Klux Klan in at least 14 of the 29 murders.
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A mystery killer stalked black communities in
Atlanta in the late nineteen seventies and early
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nineteen eighties. Kids of all ages
were disappearing one by one and then turning
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up dead days or weeks later.
They became known as the Atlanta child murders.
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An Atlanta local named Wayne Williams was
eventually detained by police in connection with
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these disappearances and murders. Although Williams
was implicated in twenty nine killings, he
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was only ever found guilty of two
of them. And the most weird part
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about that is that of the two
he was convicted of, they weren't children.
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He's in prison for killing two adults. Despite the fact that the killing
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stopped Williams was detained, some people, including some of the families of the
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victims, think that Williams was not
the perpetrator of the Atlanta child murders.
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In twenty nineteen, the story was
dramatized in the Netflix series Mine Hunter.
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The genuine Atlanta murder's case was also
reopened in the same year in an effort
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to learn more information. But let's
rewind to the beginning. The first body
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connected to the Atlantic child murders investigation
was found. On a warm summer day.
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In July nineteen seventy nine, Alfred
Evans, a thirteen year old boy,
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was discovered barefoot and shirtless in a
deserted lot three days after he vanished.
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Alfred had been strangled to death.
Police couldn't help but notice a foul
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odor coming from some adjacent overgrown foliage. As they were investigating Alfred's crime scene,
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they came across another dead child,
Edward Smith, a fourteen year old
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African American boy. Edward had been
murdered by gunshot, but you couldn't help
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but think that the two were connected, given that Alfred's body was just one
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hundred fifty feet away. These murder
cases were simply written off by authorities as
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being drug related. A few months
later, more black teenagers began to go
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missing. The next two bodies found
were those of nine year old Yusef Bell
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and fourteen year old Milton Harvey.
Both kids had been murdered by strangulation.
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Bell, the fourth victim, lived
in building four blocks from the scene of
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his death. The surrounding community was
particularly hard hit by his passing. Belle's
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neighbor, who was aware of his
aptitude for math and history said that quote.
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The entire neighborhood wept because they loved
that child. He had a talent
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from God. Families of the victims
began to wonder whether there might be a
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connection. Four black kids in a
short amount of time in the same general
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area disappear and later turn up murdered. The Atlanta police did not, however,
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make any definite connections between the homicides. By March nineteen eighty, the
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four victim tally grew to six.
The communities started to realize that they were
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in serious danger. Curfews were first
imposed by parents of the kids in the
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area, but victims continued to stack
up. With the exception of two girls,
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they were almost all boys, and
while a few victims connected to the
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case were ultimately revealed to be adult
men, the majority of them were kids,
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and they were all black. African
American neighborhoods in Atlanta and the surrounding
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area were shaken by fear and worry, but they were also justifiably upset since
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the Atlanta police had yet to make
a connection or refused to make a connection
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between the crimes. Children kept going
missing despite increased community monitoring. Willie May
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Mathis and her ten year old son, Jeffrey, were watching TV in March
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of nineteen eighty when they both saw
a news story about the murders. She
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gave her young sons advice about approaching
strangers. Mamma, I don't do that,
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he said, I don't talk to
strangers. The very next day,
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Jeffrey set off for the corner store
to buy a loaf of bread, but
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he never arrived. A year later, his remains were discovered. The method
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in which these children were killed varied. Some were shot, stabbed, or
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beaten to death, while others were
strangled. The cause of death for some
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of the victims, particularly the ones
that weren't found quickly, including Jeffrey Mathis,
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was not known. The grieving families
waited daily for any news and he
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updates on the progress of the case. They waited and waited until they couldn't
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stand by any longer. Atlanta Mayor
Maynard Jackson's inaction and the Atlanta Police's resistance
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to seeing the murders as connected infuriated
the community, so they started organizing themselves.
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Yusef Belle's mother Camille, founded the
Committee to Stop Children's Murders in August
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in collaboration with other parents of the
victims. The committee's role was to serve
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as a community led alliance to demand
accountability for the dragged out investigations. Amazingly
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it did. Both the investigating task
force size and the total amount offered as
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a reward for tips were greatly boosted
by the city Bell and the committee members
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were effective and inspiring the neighborhood to
take an active role in the neighborhood security.
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The murder of thirteen year old Clifford
Jones also prompted Atlanta's authorities to take
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more action. He was in town
visiting from Cleveland, and the killing of
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a visitor had garnered widespread attention.
Locals volunteered to join the city's neighborhood patrol
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while arming themselves with baseball bats,
and more volunteers joined the citywide hunt for
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clues that might shed light on the
case. A few months after the committee
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was established, Georgia authorities asked the
FBI to take part in the investigation.
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Five of the top homicide investigators in
the country were hired as advisers. Additionally,
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two representatives from the US Justice Department
were sent to the city to offer
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assistance. Finally, the case received
significant attention from the authorities. Twenty nine
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black children and young adults were victims
of the Atlanta child murders between nineteen seventy
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nine and nineteen eighty one. On
April thirteenth, nineteen eighty one, FBI
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Director William Webster announced that the Atlanta
Police had identified the murderers of four of
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the murdered kids, possibly implying several
offenders. Authorities didn't have enough proof to
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press charges, though. Then a
month later, policemen conducting a late night
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stakeout along the Chattahoochee River heard a
splash after a car approached the bridge.
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Officers then observed a station wagon crossing
the South Cobb Drive Bridge in the distance.
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They stopped the driver for further investigation
out of suspicion. Twenty three year
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old Wayne Williams once that driver.
After taking a few fibers from William's car,
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the police let him go. The
body of twenty seven year old Nathaniel
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Carter was found downstream of that bridge
just two days later. It was unsettlingly
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close to the spot where the body
of Jimmy Ray Payne, aged twenty one,
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had been discovered a month earlier.
Wayne Williams was detained in June nineteen
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eighty one in relation to the deaths
of Pain and Carter. Both men were
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among the few adult victims in the
Atlanta murder's case, and these are the
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two I mentioned earlier that he would
be later found guilty of killing. Williams
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received a life sentence in jail.
There havn't been any other connected killings after
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Wayne William's arrest, at least none
that have been publicized as such. However,
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other people, including many of the
victims families, continued to deny that
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Williams was a serial killer. He
was found guilty based on a few fibers
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that the prosecution said were discovered on
Carters and Pain's bodies. These materials reportedly
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matched a comforter in his house and
a rug in his car. However,
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fiber evidence is frequently seen as being
unreliable. Also, inconsistencies and witness testimony
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raised greater questions about William's guilt.
Alternative explanations have surfaced throughout the years,
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from a pedophile network to the government
performing gruesome experiments on black children. Before
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you brushed that last one off as
a wild conspiracy theory. Look up the
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Tuskegee experiment, then get back to
me. But one of the most frequently
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accepted ideas is that the Atlanta child
murders were the work of the klu Klux
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Klan. It was discovered later in
nineteen ninety one that a police informant at
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the time overheard a KKK member named
Charles Theodore Sanders verbally threatening to choke a
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black teenager named Luby Jeter after he
unintentionally damaged his truck in nineteen eighty one.
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Just a few weeks following Sanders warning, his body was found. His
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genitalia lower pelvic region and both of
his feet were all missing, and he'd
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been strangled. Years later, disturbing
information from a top secret probe by a
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collaboration of law enforcement organizations was revealed
in a twenty fifteen expose by Spin magazine.
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According to this inquiry, Sanders and
his white nationalist family members planned to
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murder more than two dozen black children
in Atlanta in order to start a race
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war. Luby's death and maybe as
many as fourteen other child murders were connected
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to the Sanders family. According to
evidence, witness statements, and informant reports.
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Investigators allegedly made the decision to withhold
information about potential KKK involvement in order
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to keep the peace in the city, which also sounds a lot like choosing
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to protect bigots. However, despite
efforts to allegedly hide proof that the KKK
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was involved, many of the city's
black citizens already believed and still do,
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that the white nationalist organization was to
blame. Atlanta Mayor Kesha Lance Bottoms,
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who was a child during the peak
of the Atlanta child murders, reopened the
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case in March of twenty nineteen.
According to her, modern forensic equipment,
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which wasn't available during the investigation four
decades ago, should be used to retest
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the evidence. Mayor Bottoms described what
it was like growing up during this scary
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time, quote, it was like
there was a boogeyman out there and he
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was snatching black children. The Mayor's
conviction that the case required further investigation was
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not shared by everyone. In fact, somethink the problem has essentially been resolved.
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Along with witness testimony, other fibers
and dog hairs were presented as evidence
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in court. Wayne Williams was on
that bridge and two bodies washed up days
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later. Which is indisputable, according
to Danny Again, a retired Atlanta homicide
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detective who looked into three of the
killings. In recent years, renewed interest
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in the Atlanta child murders has also
permeated pop culture. The story became a
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major plot in season two of the
Netflix series Hunter, which, by the
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way, it's fantastic. The series
itself was largely inspired by a book by
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the same name, written by former
FBI agent John Douglas, who is considered
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a pioneer in criminal profiling. As
for Douglas, he thought Wayne Williams was
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guilty of some of the killings,
possibly not all of them. The reality
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isn't pleasant, he once stated,
and there isn't just one perpetrator. Investigators
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are currently going over all the evidence
again and again. It's unclear, though,
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if the families and the community as
a whole will experience any real closure
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as a result of the fresh attempts. That is ten minute Murderer for today,
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brief and bingeable true crime. I'm
Joe the host, and I really
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appreciate you taking the time to listen
today. And someone asked me to talk
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about an opinion that I have that
is unpopular. They asked me to share
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my most unpopular opinion true crime related
or not, And here it goes.
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I'll give you two. One of
them is related to true crime, and
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the other one should be a crime. And this is not going to get
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me canceled, So everybody calm down, at least, I hope not.
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First, I don't believe in the
death penalty. I'm not going to go
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into details about it now. Maybe
on a later episode I will, but
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I will say that I completely understand
why people are for it. I just
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respectfully don't agree. And the other
one, when you're at a concert and
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everyone's singing along so loud that the
singer on stage stops singing and you know
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it, holds the microphone out,
or she holds the microphone out for the
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crowd for them to sing. No, do not, you dare. I
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came to hear the singer sing,
and I want to hear them do it
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so everyone else can kindly hush sing
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A mystery killer stalked black communities in
Atlanta in the late nineteen seventies and early
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nineteen eighties. Kids of all ages
were disappearing one by one and then turning
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up dead days or weeks later.
They became known as the Atlanta child murders.
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An Atlanta local named Wayne Williams was
eventually detained by police in connection with
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these disappearances and murders. Although Williams
was implicated in twenty nine killings, he
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was only ever found guilty of two
of them. And the most weird part
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about that is that of the two
he was convicted of, they weren't children.
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He's in prison for killing two adults. Despite the fact that the killing
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stopped Williams was detained, some people, including some of the families of the
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victims, think that Williams was not
the perpetrator of the Atlanta child murders.
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In twenty nineteen, the story was
dramatized in the Netflix series Mine Hunter.
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The genuine Atlanta murder's case was also
reopened in the same year in an effort
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to learn more information. But let's
rewind to the beginning. The first body
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connected to the Atlantic child murders investigation
was found. On a warm summer day.
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In July nineteen seventy nine, Alfred
Evans, a thirteen year old boy,
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was discovered barefoot and shirtless in a
deserted lot three days after he vanished.
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Alfred had been strangled to death.
Police couldn't help but notice a foul
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odor coming from some adjacent overgrown foliage. As they were investigating Alfred's crime scene,
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they came across another dead child,
Edward Smith, a fourteen year old
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African American boy. Edward had been
murdered by gunshot, but you couldn't help
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but think that the two were connected, given that Alfred's body was just one
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hundred fifty feet away. These murder
cases were simply written off by authorities as
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being drug related. A few months
later, more black teenagers began to go
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missing. The next two bodies found
were those of nine year old Yusef Bell
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and fourteen year old Milton Harvey.
Both kids had been murdered by strangulation.
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Bell, the fourth victim, lived
in building four blocks from the scene of
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his death. The surrounding community was
particularly hard hit by his passing. Belle's
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neighbor, who was aware of his
aptitude for math and history said that quote.
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The entire neighborhood wept because they loved
that child. He had a talent
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from God. Families of the victims
began to wonder whether there might be a
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connection. Four black kids in a
short amount of time in the same general
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area disappear and later turn up murdered. The Atlanta police did not, however,
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make any definite connections between the homicides. By March nineteen eighty, the
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four victim tally grew to six.
The communities started to realize that they were
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in serious danger. Curfews were first
imposed by parents of the kids in the
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area, but victims continued to stack
up. With the exception of two girls,
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they were almost all boys, and
while a few victims connected to the
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case were ultimately revealed to be adult
men, the majority of them were kids,
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and they were all black. African
American neighborhoods in Atlanta and the surrounding
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area were shaken by fear and worry, but they were also justifiably upset since
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the Atlanta police had yet to make
a connection or refused to make a connection
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between the crimes. Children kept going
missing despite increased community monitoring. Willie May
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Mathis and her ten year old son, Jeffrey, were watching TV in March
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of nineteen eighty when they both saw
a news story about the murders. She
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gave her young sons advice about approaching
strangers. Mamma, I don't do that,
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he said, I don't talk to
strangers. The very next day,
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Jeffrey set off for the corner store
to buy a loaf of bread, but
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he never arrived. A year later, his remains were discovered. The method
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in which these children were killed varied. Some were shot, stabbed, or
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beaten to death, while others were
strangled. The cause of death for some
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of the victims, particularly the ones
that weren't found quickly, including Jeffrey Mathis,
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was not known. The grieving families
waited daily for any news and he
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updates on the progress of the case. They waited and waited until they couldn't
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stand by any longer. Atlanta Mayor
Maynard Jackson's inaction and the Atlanta Police's resistance
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to seeing the murders as connected infuriated
the community, so they started organizing themselves.
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Yusef Belle's mother Camille, founded the
Committee to Stop Children's Murders in August
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in collaboration with other parents of the
victims. The committee's role was to serve
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as a community led alliance to demand
accountability for the dragged out investigations. Amazingly
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it did. Both the investigating task
force size and the total amount offered as
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a reward for tips were greatly boosted
by the city Bell and the committee members
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were effective and inspiring the neighborhood to
take an active role in the neighborhood security.
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The murder of thirteen year old Clifford
Jones also prompted Atlanta's authorities to take
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more action. He was in town
visiting from Cleveland, and the killing of
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a visitor had garnered widespread attention.
Locals volunteered to join the city's neighborhood patrol
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while arming themselves with baseball bats,
and more volunteers joined the citywide hunt for
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clues that might shed light on the
case. A few months after the committee
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was established, Georgia authorities asked the
FBI to take part in the investigation.
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Five of the top homicide investigators in
the country were hired as advisers. Additionally,
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two representatives from the US Justice Department
were sent to the city to offer
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assistance. Finally, the case received
significant attention from the authorities. Twenty nine
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black children and young adults were victims
of the Atlanta child murders between nineteen seventy
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nine and nineteen eighty one. On
April thirteenth, nineteen eighty one, FBI
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Director William Webster announced that the Atlanta
Police had identified the murderers of four of
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the murdered kids, possibly implying several
offenders. Authorities didn't have enough proof to
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press charges, though. Then a
month later, policemen conducting a late night
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stakeout along the Chattahoochee River heard a
splash after a car approached the bridge.
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Officers then observed a station wagon crossing
the South Cobb Drive Bridge in the distance.
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They stopped the driver for further investigation
out of suspicion. Twenty three year
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old Wayne Williams once that driver.
After taking a few fibers from William's car,
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the police let him go. The
body of twenty seven year old Nathaniel
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Carter was found downstream of that bridge
just two days later. It was unsettlingly
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close to the spot where the body
of Jimmy Ray Payne, aged twenty one,
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had been discovered a month earlier.
Wayne Williams was detained in June nineteen
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eighty one in relation to the deaths
of Pain and Carter. Both men were
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among the few adult victims in the
Atlanta murder's case, and these are the
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two I mentioned earlier that he would
be later found guilty of killing. Williams
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received a life sentence in jail.
There havn't been any other connected killings after
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Wayne William's arrest, at least none
that have been publicized as such. However,
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other people, including many of the
victims families, continued to deny that
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Williams was a serial killer. He
was found guilty based on a few fibers
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that the prosecution said were discovered on
Carters and Pain's bodies. These materials reportedly
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matched a comforter in his house and
a rug in his car. However,
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fiber evidence is frequently seen as being
unreliable. Also, inconsistencies and witness testimony
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raised greater questions about William's guilt.
Alternative explanations have surfaced throughout the years,
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from a pedophile network to the government
performing gruesome experiments on black children. Before
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you brushed that last one off as
a wild conspiracy theory. Look up the
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Tuskegee experiment, then get back to
me. But one of the most frequently
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accepted ideas is that the Atlanta child
murders were the work of the klu Klux
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Klan. It was discovered later in
nineteen ninety one that a police informant at
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the time overheard a KKK member named
Charles Theodore Sanders verbally threatening to choke a
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black teenager named Luby Jeter after he
unintentionally damaged his truck in nineteen eighty one.
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Just a few weeks following Sanders warning, his body was found. His
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genitalia lower pelvic region and both of
his feet were all missing, and he'd
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been strangled. Years later, disturbing
information from a top secret probe by a
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collaboration of law enforcement organizations was revealed
in a twenty fifteen expose by Spin magazine.
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According to this inquiry, Sanders and
his white nationalist family members planned to
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murder more than two dozen black children
in Atlanta in order to start a race
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war. Luby's death and maybe as
many as fourteen other child murders were connected
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to the Sanders family. According to
evidence, witness statements, and informant reports.
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Investigators allegedly made the decision to withhold
information about potential KKK involvement in order
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to keep the peace in the city, which also sounds a lot like choosing
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to protect bigots. However, despite
efforts to allegedly hide proof that the KKK
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was involved, many of the city's
black citizens already believed and still do,
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that the white nationalist organization was to
blame. Atlanta Mayor Kesha Lance Bottoms,
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who was a child during the peak
of the Atlanta child murders, reopened the
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case in March of twenty nineteen.
According to her, modern forensic equipment,
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which wasn't available during the investigation four
decades ago, should be used to retest
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the evidence. Mayor Bottoms described what
it was like growing up during this scary
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time, quote, it was like
there was a boogeyman out there and he
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was snatching black children. The Mayor's
conviction that the case required further investigation was
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not shared by everyone. In fact, somethink the problem has essentially been resolved.
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Along with witness testimony, other fibers
and dog hairs were presented as evidence
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in court. Wayne Williams was on
that bridge and two bodies washed up days
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later. Which is indisputable, according
to Danny Again, a retired Atlanta homicide
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detective who looked into three of the
killings. In recent years, renewed interest
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in the Atlanta child murders has also
permeated pop culture. The story became a
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major plot in season two of the
Netflix series Hunter, which, by the
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way, it's fantastic. The series
itself was largely inspired by a book by
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the same name, written by former
FBI agent John Douglas, who is considered
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a pioneer in criminal profiling. As
for Douglas, he thought Wayne Williams was
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guilty of some of the killings,
possibly not all of them. The reality
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isn't pleasant, he once stated,
and there isn't just one perpetrator. Investigators
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are currently going over all the evidence
again and again. It's unclear, though,
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if the families and the community as
a whole will experience any real closure
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as a result of the fresh attempts. That is ten minute Murderer for today,
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brief and bingeable true crime. I'm
Joe the host, and I really
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appreciate you taking the time to listen
today. And someone asked me to talk
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about an opinion that I have that
is unpopular. They asked me to share
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my most unpopular opinion true crime related
or not, And here it goes.
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I'll give you two. One of
them is related to true crime, and
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the other one should be a crime. And this is not going to get
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me canceled, So everybody calm down, at least, I hope not.
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First, I don't believe in the
death penalty. I'm not going to go
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into details about it now. Maybe
on a later episode I will, but
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I will say that I completely understand
why people are for it. I just
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respectfully don't agree. And the other
one, when you're at a concert and
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everyone's singing along so loud that the
singer on stage stops singing and you know
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it, holds the microphone out,
or she holds the microphone out for the
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crowd for them to sing. No, do not, you dare. I
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came to hear the singer sing,
and I want to hear them do it
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so everyone else can kindly hush sing
along in the car on the way home.
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