Oct. 5, 2023
Biker Club Chaos in Waco

9 people dead, 20 injured, and 177 suspects arrested - but there was only one trial. In the end, nobody was ever found responsible for the 2015 shootout in Waco, Texas.
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Discretion is advised. This is ten
minute murder. On Sunday, the seventeenth
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of May twenty fifteen, hundreds of
bikers were attending a meeting at the Twin
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Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.
Most of the bikers and attendants were from
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two rival gangs, the Cossacks and
the Bandidos. They'd come together for a
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common cause routine meeting between the gangs
to discuss bikers' rights in a neutral space.
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The Cossacks had arrived early, wanting
to present a strong front to the
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Bandidos. By the time the rival
gang arrived, they were greeted by the
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sight of the Cossacks sitting in the
restaurant's patio area waiting for them. Peace
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between the two groups did not last
long. It began as an argument over
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parking, which grew more and more
heated as Bandido bikers supposedly used bikes to
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deliberately run over a Cossacks foot.
Within minutes, several of the members had
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drawn their weapons and multiple shots were
fired. Reginald Weathers, a member of
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the Bandidos, might have been the
first person to be shot, but because
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he had been punched by a Cossack
shortly before the shot was fired. He
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was bent over and never saw who
was holding the gun. CCTV footage of
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the shooting was later leaked online,
showing the other customers and waitstaff running from
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the gunfire while hundreds of bikers drew
their weapons. Richard Luther, a member
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of the Cossack gang at the time, talked about the chaos later quote I
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curled up in the fetal position with
three other people, he said. I
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looked up and saw another biker Ritchie
hit the ground, saw him bleeding from
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the head. Started seeing people dying
and falling all around me. We decided
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we needed to move, so we
crawled military style on our stomachs up the
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patio stairs, through the patio,
and into the restaurant until the police came.
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Really, at that point I didn't
know who was shooting. The local
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police had been aware of the meeting
and they were waiting nearby in case a
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fight broke out between the two gangs. Within minutes of the first shot being
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fired, police were on the scene. Although most of the forensic evidence in
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the shooting has not been released to
the public, Allegedly, several of the
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bikers shot that day were shot with
a two two three caliber rifle, the
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firearm used by the Waco police.
According to the police who responded that day,
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the force that they used was necessary
to quickly control the scene and prevent
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more people from losing their lives.
After only a few minutes of shooting,
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nine people had already sustained fatal injuries
and many more were seriously hurt. The
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officers detained so many bikers that the
local police station was too small for processing
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the suspects. All one hundred seventy
seven bikers were driven to Waco's Convention Center
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and accused of the same crime,
engaging in organized criminal activity that was a
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serious charge with a potential for a
life sentence if they were convicted. Their
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bonds were set at one million dollars
each, a fee that most of the
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suspects could not afford. The Justice
of the Peace, who set the bonds,
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justified the high fee, saying,
I think it's important to send a
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message. The Twin Peaks restaurants,
where the shooting had taken place, was
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criticized for allowing such a large group
of bikers to meet there, and shortly
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after the chain announced that the Waco
restaurant's franchise was being canceled. They gave
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the reason that the restaurant's management had
ignored police warnings about the bikers and that
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they'd failed to uphold security standards designed
to keep everyone in the restaurant safe in
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the shootings. Aftermath, the police
discovered what they believed was overwhelming evidence that
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most of the bikers had been prepared
for violence that day. They might not
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have known how the fight would start, but they made sure that they would
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be able to defend themselves when it
happened. At the scene, more than
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two hundred weapons were recovered firearms,
brass knuckles, knives, baseball bats,
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and chains. While waiting in jail
for their bonds to be lowered, the
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bikers were unable to support their families
after they got out. Many of them
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lost the jobs that they previously held
before going in or watched their marriage crumble.
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Quote. When I got out of
jail, cossack like a Richard Luther
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said, I called the owner of
the roofing company that I worked for.
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He said, can't have gang members
working for me. I couldn't do anything.
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Nobody wanted us around. Out of
all one hundred and seventeen suspects,
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only one of them ended up needing
to appear in court Jake Karazov, who
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was a chapter president for the Bandidos. It was an emotional trial. One
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of the officers who had responded to
the scene began to cry uncontrollably on the
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stand as he relived memories of the
crime scene, saying it wasn't supposed to
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go like that, It just looked
like a horror movie. After six weeks,
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the jury was not able to agree
on a verdict, and in November
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twenty seventeen, Jake Karazov's trial was
ruled as a mistrial. One of the
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key issues with actually convicting any of
the suspects was the level of chaos that
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had unfolded during the shooting. Even
the people who were witnesses that day said
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they had no idea how it started. One moment things were relatively calm,
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and the next moment, the restaurant
was a scene of mass murder. Since
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very shortly after the shooting, the
police's response has been controversial. Many of
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the bikers argued that the police officers
just arrested anyone who was at the scene,
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including people who had not drawn a
weapon and were simply trying to flee
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from the shooters. The bikers believed
that the police created an unfair narrative placing
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all of the gang members as being
murderous criminals who had intended on doing harm
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that day. As a result of
the Waco shootout, more than one hundred
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lawsuits were brought forth against Waco law
enforcement. Of the bikers who chose to
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file a civil rights lawsuit was Diego
Obledeaux, one of the men who insisted
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that he had not contributed to the
violence. Allegedly, Diego didn't even have
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a weapon with him that day,
but he was arrested still for engaging in
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organized criminal activity. In fact,
according to the lawsuit, Diego had not
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been a member of either of the
main gangs involved in the shooting. He
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was a member of the Christian Motorcycle
Association. When he was arrested, he
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had been carrying a small bible in
the pocket of his vest. When the
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new mc lennan County District Attorney,
Barry Johnson took office in twenty nineteen,
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he made an announcement. Out of
the one hundred seventy seven men arrested,
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one hundred fifty five had been indicted. He decided to drop the charges against
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the remaining twenty four suspects, because, in his opinion, it was useless
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to push it any further. Kharazav's
trial had racked up around one point five
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million dollars in legal costs, and
ultimately it had been pointless. Attorney Johnson
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was open to the possibility of charging
some of the bikers for murder if they
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uncovered any new evidence, but at
the moment he didn't think the prosecution had
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a chance of winning. He thought
that earlier in the case there might have
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been opportunities to convict some of the
bikers of other charges like unlawful weapon possession,
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attempted murder, and assault, but
now the statute of limitations on some
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of those crimes has expired. For
many of the bikers who had been arrested
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during the shootouts, the news was
a relief. Quote for us that our
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living it is vindication. It's like
the weight of the world has been lifted
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off our shoulders, said Richard Luther, who had already begun the process of
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suing Waco law enforcement. According to
Richard, being arrested in the shootouts had
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cost him more than just his time. He'd paid more than forty thousand dollars
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in legal fees and therapy for post
traumatic stress disorder. Clint Broden, who
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represented several of the bikers in their
lawsuits, agreed that the real perpetrators could
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have been prosecuted if the investigation had
been more thorough. In the United States,
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he said, we investigate first and
then we charge. We don't charge
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first and then investigate. This was
done completely asked backwards. If the original
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district attorney, Abel Raina just charged
those who were criminally responsible, I think
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we would have had some prime insecutions
and likely convictions. But because he made
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such a mess of it, this
is the end result. The Waco Tribune
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Herald described the shootout as leading to
a four year prosecutorial fiasco that resulted in
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zero convictions. Everyone who was there
that day has a slightly different story of
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what happened, and eight years later, the identity of the person who fired
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the first shot is still unknown.
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Sometimes there's just pure chaos. So
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much for listening to ten minute Murder
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Discretion is advised. This is ten
minute murder. On Sunday, the seventeenth
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00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:47.399
of May twenty fifteen, hundreds of
bikers were attending a meeting at the Twin
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00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:52.520
Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas.
Most of the bikers and attendants were from
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00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:58.479
two rival gangs, the Cossacks and
the Bandidos. They'd come together for a
5
00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:03.239
common cause routine meeting between the gangs
to discuss bikers' rights in a neutral space.
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00:01:03.879 --> 00:01:08.439
The Cossacks had arrived early, wanting
to present a strong front to the
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00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:14.040
Bandidos. By the time the rival
gang arrived, they were greeted by the
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00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:19.519
sight of the Cossacks sitting in the
restaurant's patio area waiting for them. Peace
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00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.599
between the two groups did not last
long. It began as an argument over
10
00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:30.879
parking, which grew more and more
heated as Bandido bikers supposedly used bikes to
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00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:36.799
deliberately run over a Cossacks foot.
Within minutes, several of the members had
12
00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:41.719
drawn their weapons and multiple shots were
fired. Reginald Weathers, a member of
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00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:46.000
the Bandidos, might have been the
first person to be shot, but because
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00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.920
he had been punched by a Cossack
shortly before the shot was fired. He
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was bent over and never saw who
was holding the gun. CCTV footage of
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00:01:55.519 --> 00:02:00.719
the shooting was later leaked online,
showing the other customers and waitstaff running from
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00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:06.480
the gunfire while hundreds of bikers drew
their weapons. Richard Luther, a member
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00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:10.080
of the Cossack gang at the time, talked about the chaos later quote I
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curled up in the fetal position with
three other people, he said. I
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looked up and saw another biker Ritchie
hit the ground, saw him bleeding from
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the head. Started seeing people dying
and falling all around me. We decided
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00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.719
we needed to move, so we
crawled military style on our stomachs up the
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00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.639
patio stairs, through the patio,
and into the restaurant until the police came.
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Really, at that point I didn't
know who was shooting. The local
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00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.199
police had been aware of the meeting
and they were waiting nearby in case a
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00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.319
fight broke out between the two gangs. Within minutes of the first shot being
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00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:51.520
fired, police were on the scene. Although most of the forensic evidence in
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00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:54.759
the shooting has not been released to
the public, Allegedly, several of the
29
00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:00.479
bikers shot that day were shot with
a two two three caliber rifle, the
30
00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:06.319
firearm used by the Waco police.
According to the police who responded that day,
31
00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.159
the force that they used was necessary
to quickly control the scene and prevent
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00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:15.199
more people from losing their lives.
After only a few minutes of shooting,
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00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:22.039
nine people had already sustained fatal injuries
and many more were seriously hurt. The
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00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:25.639
officers detained so many bikers that the
local police station was too small for processing
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the suspects. All one hundred seventy
seven bikers were driven to Waco's Convention Center
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and accused of the same crime,
engaging in organized criminal activity that was a
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serious charge with a potential for a
life sentence if they were convicted. Their
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bonds were set at one million dollars
each, a fee that most of the
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suspects could not afford. The Justice
of the Peace, who set the bonds,
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justified the high fee, saying,
I think it's important to send a
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message. The Twin Peaks restaurants,
where the shooting had taken place, was
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criticized for allowing such a large group
of bikers to meet there, and shortly
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after the chain announced that the Waco
restaurant's franchise was being canceled. They gave
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the reason that the restaurant's management had
ignored police warnings about the bikers and that
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they'd failed to uphold security standards designed
to keep everyone in the restaurant safe in
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the shootings. Aftermath, the police
discovered what they believed was overwhelming evidence that
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most of the bikers had been prepared
for violence that day. They might not
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have known how the fight would start, but they made sure that they would
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be able to defend themselves when it
happened. At the scene, more than
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two hundred weapons were recovered firearms,
brass knuckles, knives, baseball bats,
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and chains. While waiting in jail
for their bonds to be lowered, the
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bikers were unable to support their families
after they got out. Many of them
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lost the jobs that they previously held
before going in or watched their marriage crumble.
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Quote. When I got out of
jail, cossack like a Richard Luther
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said, I called the owner of
the roofing company that I worked for.
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He said, can't have gang members
working for me. I couldn't do anything.
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Nobody wanted us around. Out of
all one hundred and seventeen suspects,
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only one of them ended up needing
to appear in court Jake Karazov, who
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was a chapter president for the Bandidos. It was an emotional trial. One
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of the officers who had responded to
the scene began to cry uncontrollably on the
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stand as he relived memories of the
crime scene, saying it wasn't supposed to
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go like that, It just looked
like a horror movie. After six weeks,
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the jury was not able to agree
on a verdict, and in November
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twenty seventeen, Jake Karazov's trial was
ruled as a mistrial. One of the
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key issues with actually convicting any of
the suspects was the level of chaos that
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had unfolded during the shooting. Even
the people who were witnesses that day said
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they had no idea how it started. One moment things were relatively calm,
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and the next moment, the restaurant
was a scene of mass murder. Since
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very shortly after the shooting, the
police's response has been controversial. Many of
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the bikers argued that the police officers
just arrested anyone who was at the scene,
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including people who had not drawn a
weapon and were simply trying to flee
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from the shooters. The bikers believed
that the police created an unfair narrative placing
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all of the gang members as being
murderous criminals who had intended on doing harm
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that day. As a result of
the Waco shootout, more than one hundred
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lawsuits were brought forth against Waco law
enforcement. Of the bikers who chose to
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file a civil rights lawsuit was Diego
Obledeaux, one of the men who insisted
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that he had not contributed to the
violence. Allegedly, Diego didn't even have
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a weapon with him that day,
but he was arrested still for engaging in
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organized criminal activity. In fact,
according to the lawsuit, Diego had not
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been a member of either of the
main gangs involved in the shooting. He
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was a member of the Christian Motorcycle
Association. When he was arrested, he
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had been carrying a small bible in
the pocket of his vest. When the
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new mc lennan County District Attorney,
Barry Johnson took office in twenty nineteen,
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he made an announcement. Out of
the one hundred seventy seven men arrested,
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one hundred fifty five had been indicted. He decided to drop the charges against
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the remaining twenty four suspects, because, in his opinion, it was useless
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to push it any further. Kharazav's
trial had racked up around one point five
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million dollars in legal costs, and
ultimately it had been pointless. Attorney Johnson
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was open to the possibility of charging
some of the bikers for murder if they
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uncovered any new evidence, but at
the moment he didn't think the prosecution had
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a chance of winning. He thought
that earlier in the case there might have
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been opportunities to convict some of the
bikers of other charges like unlawful weapon possession,
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attempted murder, and assault, but
now the statute of limitations on some
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of those crimes has expired. For
many of the bikers who had been arrested
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during the shootouts, the news was
a relief. Quote for us that our
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living it is vindication. It's like
the weight of the world has been lifted
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off our shoulders, said Richard Luther, who had already begun the process of
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suing Waco law enforcement. According to
Richard, being arrested in the shootouts had
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cost him more than just his time. He'd paid more than forty thousand dollars
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in legal fees and therapy for post
traumatic stress disorder. Clint Broden, who
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represented several of the bikers in their
lawsuits, agreed that the real perpetrators could
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have been prosecuted if the investigation had
been more thorough. In the United States,
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he said, we investigate first and
then we charge. We don't charge
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first and then investigate. This was
done completely asked backwards. If the original
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district attorney, Abel Raina just charged
those who were criminally responsible, I think
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we would have had some prime insecutions
and likely convictions. But because he made
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such a mess of it, this
is the end result. The Waco Tribune
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Herald described the shootout as leading to
a four year prosecutorial fiasco that resulted in
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zero convictions. Everyone who was there
that day has a slightly different story of
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what happened, and eight years later, the identity of the person who fired
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the first shot is still unknown.
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