Aug. 24, 2023
The Chicago Tylenol Murders

Four decades ago, Chicago was rocked by a seemingly senseless crime. The Chicago Tylenol Murders took place in 1982. Seven people died in the area as a result of Tylenol Extra Strength gelatin capsules being laced with potassium cyanide.
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Four decades ago, Chicago was rocked by a seemingly senseless crime. The Chicago Tylenol Murders took place in 1982. Seven people died in the area as a result of Tylenol Extra Strength gelatin capsules being laced with potassium cyanide.
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Discretion is advised. This is ten
minted murder. We hear about crimes and
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murders every day. The wife that
found out her husband was having an affair
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and she shot him. The driver
that get robbed making a delivery in a
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neighborhood known for shady activity. The
man that let his anger get the best
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of him and pulled someone out of
their car in a fit of road rage
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after they cut him off. Every
incident, while terrible, both plays on
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00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.840
our fears and gives us a false
sense of security. We know what to
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expect in those situations. The who, what, where, and why they
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can all be answered. But what
about when? The why was simply to
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create chaos? What about when the
who, what, when, and where
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didn't make any difference. More than
likely you've watched the Batman movies. The
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Cape Crusader that was able to solve
every crime and figure out the riddles.
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His mental capabilities even exceeded his physical
strength. But even he met a criminal
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he just couldn't make sense of.
In the movie The Dark Night, Alfred,
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who always seemed to know the right
thing to say, no matter the
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circumstances, made an observation, while
bone chilling, It's true, he said,
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some men just want to watch the
world burn. Four decades ago,
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Chicago was rocked by seemingly senseless crimes. The Chicago thailan All murders took place
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in nineteen eighty two. Seven people
died in the area as a result of
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thailan All extra strength gelatine capsules being
laced with potassium cyanide. The first death
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reported was a twelve year old girl. Her parents gave her tailan all because
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she had a sore throat, which
is what most would do. She was
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dead by the next morning. Of
course, no one knew the cause of
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death in that moment. Luckily,
no one else in her house took the
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tailan All before the paramedics got there
and bagged it up. But not every
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family was that fortunate. A twenty
seven year old polster worker took thailan All
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at home, and initially his death
was thought to be a heart attack.
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His brother and sister in law were
distraught. They rushed over to the house
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upon hearing the news, and that
day's events had their heads throbbing. The
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stress of it caused them to have
headaches, so they did what any of
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us would do. They took Taylan
All. They both died. Arlington Heights.
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Only public health official was sent to
the crime scene to look around.
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She found the bottle on the counter
and counted the capsules. There were forty
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four. Six had been taken,
probably two by each of the three victims
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in that house. The bottle made
its way to the Deputy Chief Medical Examiner.
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He immediately noticed that it had an
almond like scent common with cyanide.
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He asked the chief toxicologist to test
the capsules. All forty four capsules tested
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contained fatal amounts of cyanide. Every
single capsule in that bottle was potentially fatal.
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Police watched the graves and the funerals
and hopes that whoever committed the crime
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would show up at one of the
scenes, but no one that raised red
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flags did. The bottles purchased could
not even be linked to a single store.
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The contaminated bottles had been bought from
different businesses. Originally, they thought
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the bottles were all from the same
lot, but soon they realized that they
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were multiple lots involved. A recall
was issued on every bottle of thailan Al
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extra strength gelatine capsules in the Chicago
area. It was one of the largest
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pharmaceutical recalls at the time. Johnson
and Johnson, Thailanall's manufacturer, warned hospitals
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and distributors of the evolving crisis.
They even stopped production of the product until
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more was learned. Then a new
case popped up in California that was a
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long way from the cases they thought
were contained to Chicago. This time,
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the thailand All had STRYCT nine in
it. Johnson and Johnson made the decision
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to recall the product nationwide on October
fifth, nineteen eighty two, and estimated
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thirty one million bottles were in circulation
at the time. The cost of the
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product recall was over one hundred million
dollars equivalent to well over three hundred million
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today. They even did some advertising
to discourage people from consuming the product while
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the source of the poison was being
investigated. Market shares collapsed. The list
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of side effects and warnings on most
medications is alarming, and yet with all
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the negative possibilities, they're promoted,
advertised, and often praised. Maybe they're
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amazing, maybe they're not, but
the manufacturers have no plans to slow down
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productions and sales. Now, obviously, the situation was different since they couldn't
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pinpoint the cause of the poison and
peop were dying. But for Johnson and
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Johnson to actually put out advertising against
their own product it seemed like financial suicide.
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Yet they were praised for their response
to the crisis. Their honesty through
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public relations was something rarely seen.
They demonstrated how a major business could properly
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handle a devastating disaster, and within
a few years they once again held the
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highest market share for over the counter
analgesus in the United States. The investigation
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led to the conclusion that the bottles
had been tampered with after they had already
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been placed on shelves, not during
production. They hypothesized that someone took them
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from the shelves, added potassium cyanide
through the gelatine capsule, and returned them
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to be purchased and consumed by unknown
customers. Now, if someone had been
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trying to buy Thailand all and return
it all over town, someone would have
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noticed and questions would have been asked. So had the person or persons been
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stealing the bottles then casually placing them
back into locations. A man named James
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William Lewis sent a letter to Johnson
and Johnson, claiming responsibility for the deaths
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and demanding a million dollars to stop. He lived in New York City and
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the police couldn't connect him to the
crimes. He was, however, charged
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with extortion and spent some time in
prison. A bar owner named Marty Sinclair
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reported that one of his patrons could
be the suspect. Roger Arnold, frequented
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the bar and had made comments that
led Sinclair to believe that he was guilty
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of the crimes. When the police
searched Arnold's house, they found a book
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called The poor Man's James Bond,
which contained instructions for making potassium cyanide,
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but they didn't find anything linking him
to the actual crime. After the investigation,
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Arnold waited with a gun in hand
for Sinclair. When he stepped out,
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he shot and killed him. Only
it wasn't Sinclair, it was a
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random, innocent man. So both
possible suspects ended up in prison, but
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neither for the crimes the police were
originally investigating. With no one in custody,
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who's to say that the crisis had
ended. Over the next few years,
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hundreds of copycats emerged involving over the
counter medications perhaps all the perpetrators were
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hoping that the original individual would take
the blame for another crime committed. I'm
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sure to them it seemed like a
good plan, But instead, many of
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those murders were solved and quite a
few scorned lovers ended up in prison.
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When thailand All Extra Strength was finally
reintroduced to the market, it was triple
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sealed to prevent tampering. A terrifying
string of events led to reforms and packaging
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over the counter drugs and federal anti
tampering laws. In nineteen eighty three,
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it was made a federal offense to
tamper with products meant for consumption. In
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nineteen eighty nine, new guidelines for
packaging of products meant for consumption were put
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into place. In nineteen ninety one, Johnson and Johnson reached an undisclosed sum
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to be paid out to the family
of the individuals that died in Chicago.
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The agreement was not the business taking
responsibility for the deaths, but rather wanting
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to help the families and encouraging everyone
to put the terrible events behind them.
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In twenty ten, with new DNA
testing methods available, they once again tested
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the DNA from Arnold and Lewis against
the DNA found on the taylan All bottles.
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They were not a match. Not
only was it disappointing that they didn't
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match, but if the person that
committed the crime had ever been convicted of
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another crime, their DNA should be
in the system. So to have the
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DNA on the bottles but never being
able to link it to a person is
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a mystery in itself. Did the
individual never commit another crime or did they
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become more careful with their methods to
not leave any evidence behind. It leaves
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the big question what was the motive
behind the Chicago murders? Was therein intended
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victim and all the other casualties were
just unfortunate mishaps. There's still not a
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definite answer, though it does raise
other questions. How many items are in
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our cabinets, pantries and refrigerators that
could have been tampered with without us even
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knowing. They never did charge anyone
with the crimes. When we think about
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what it takes to get a product
from production to market, there could be
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endless possibilities. The product starts in
a facility, goes through a warehouse and
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packaging, and get shipped and delivered
and stocked and picked up and put down
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by consumers until finally purchased and handed
to a cashier. It makes you stop
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and think that our society must be
extremely trusting in people when we think about
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the amount of hands that have contact
with any given product. Maybe we should
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just hope that most people are good
and honest, because it seems that the
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hands that caused the Chicago tail in
all murders just wanted to spark chaos and
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watch it burn. That's ten minute
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of me telling that story. Just
now, what keeps us, us normal
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human beings from doing bad things to
other human beings? Because most of us
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don't necessarily calls harm to other people
intentionally on a day to day basis,
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But why what keeps us from doing
that? For some of us, it's
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religion. For others, it's just
because it's bad karma. For me personally,
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I think I just feel empathetic when
it comes to other people, even
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if you're a piece of trash.
I feel bad that you're a piece of
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trash. And there is a religious
element in there for me, and there's
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also a karma element for me.
And that's where I'm getting to when I'm
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talking about what was going through my
head, this entire story that I was
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telling it, and it's one line
from a song. I was singing the
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whole song in my head, but
one line of it is the reason karma
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is a relaxing thought. And yes, that's a Taylor Swift song, but
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karma is a relaxing thought because if
you believe that karma is a real thing,
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and you actively try to be a
decent person, then karma is a
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relaxing thought. You don't have to
get even with other people. You don't
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have to go out of your way
to ruin someone's day because they harmed you
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in some way. Karma is a
relaxing thought. Okay, now that I'm
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quoting Taylor Swift, I think it's
probably time to end this episode for today.
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Thank you so much for listening to
ten Minute Murder
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Discretion is advised. This is ten
minted murder. We hear about crimes and
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00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:30.480
murders every day. The wife that
found out her husband was having an affair
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00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:34.240
and she shot him. The driver
that get robbed making a delivery in a
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00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:38.119
neighborhood known for shady activity. The
man that let his anger get the best
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00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:41.359
of him and pulled someone out of
their car in a fit of road rage
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00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:46.479
after they cut him off. Every
incident, while terrible, both plays on
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00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:50.840
our fears and gives us a false
sense of security. We know what to
8
00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:55.520
expect in those situations. The who, what, where, and why they
9
00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:59.479
can all be answered. But what
about when? The why was simply to
10
00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.880
create chaos? What about when the
who, what, when, and where
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00:01:03.519 --> 00:01:08.200
didn't make any difference. More than
likely you've watched the Batman movies. The
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00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.159
Cape Crusader that was able to solve
every crime and figure out the riddles.
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00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:18.640
His mental capabilities even exceeded his physical
strength. But even he met a criminal
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00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.200
he just couldn't make sense of.
In the movie The Dark Night, Alfred,
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00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:23.599
who always seemed to know the right
thing to say, no matter the
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00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:30.680
circumstances, made an observation, while
bone chilling, It's true, he said,
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00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:36.000
some men just want to watch the
world burn. Four decades ago,
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00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:42.760
Chicago was rocked by seemingly senseless crimes. The Chicago thailan All murders took place
19
00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:47.120
in nineteen eighty two. Seven people
died in the area as a result of
20
00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:53.400
thailan All extra strength gelatine capsules being
laced with potassium cyanide. The first death
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00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.599
reported was a twelve year old girl. Her parents gave her tailan all because
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00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.640
she had a sore throat, which
is what most would do. She was
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00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.280
dead by the next morning. Of
course, no one knew the cause of
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00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.960
death in that moment. Luckily,
no one else in her house took the
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tailan All before the paramedics got there
and bagged it up. But not every
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family was that fortunate. A twenty
seven year old polster worker took thailan All
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at home, and initially his death
was thought to be a heart attack.
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His brother and sister in law were
distraught. They rushed over to the house
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upon hearing the news, and that
day's events had their heads throbbing. The
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stress of it caused them to have
headaches, so they did what any of
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us would do. They took Taylan
All. They both died. Arlington Heights.
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Only public health official was sent to
the crime scene to look around.
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She found the bottle on the counter
and counted the capsules. There were forty
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four. Six had been taken,
probably two by each of the three victims
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in that house. The bottle made
its way to the Deputy Chief Medical Examiner.
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He immediately noticed that it had an
almond like scent common with cyanide.
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He asked the chief toxicologist to test
the capsules. All forty four capsules tested
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contained fatal amounts of cyanide. Every
single capsule in that bottle was potentially fatal.
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Police watched the graves and the funerals
and hopes that whoever committed the crime
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would show up at one of the
scenes, but no one that raised red
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flags did. The bottles purchased could
not even be linked to a single store.
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The contaminated bottles had been bought from
different businesses. Originally, they thought
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the bottles were all from the same
lot, but soon they realized that they
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were multiple lots involved. A recall
was issued on every bottle of thailan Al
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extra strength gelatine capsules in the Chicago
area. It was one of the largest
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pharmaceutical recalls at the time. Johnson
and Johnson, Thailanall's manufacturer, warned hospitals
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and distributors of the evolving crisis.
They even stopped production of the product until
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more was learned. Then a new
case popped up in California that was a
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long way from the cases they thought
were contained to Chicago. This time,
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the thailand All had STRYCT nine in
it. Johnson and Johnson made the decision
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to recall the product nationwide on October
fifth, nineteen eighty two, and estimated
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thirty one million bottles were in circulation
at the time. The cost of the
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product recall was over one hundred million
dollars equivalent to well over three hundred million
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today. They even did some advertising
to discourage people from consuming the product while
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the source of the poison was being
investigated. Market shares collapsed. The list
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of side effects and warnings on most
medications is alarming, and yet with all
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the negative possibilities, they're promoted,
advertised, and often praised. Maybe they're
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amazing, maybe they're not, but
the manufacturers have no plans to slow down
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productions and sales. Now, obviously, the situation was different since they couldn't
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pinpoint the cause of the poison and
peop were dying. But for Johnson and
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Johnson to actually put out advertising against
their own product it seemed like financial suicide.
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Yet they were praised for their response
to the crisis. Their honesty through
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public relations was something rarely seen.
They demonstrated how a major business could properly
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handle a devastating disaster, and within
a few years they once again held the
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highest market share for over the counter
analgesus in the United States. The investigation
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led to the conclusion that the bottles
had been tampered with after they had already
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been placed on shelves, not during
production. They hypothesized that someone took them
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from the shelves, added potassium cyanide
through the gelatine capsule, and returned them
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to be purchased and consumed by unknown
customers. Now, if someone had been
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trying to buy Thailand all and return
it all over town, someone would have
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noticed and questions would have been asked. So had the person or persons been
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stealing the bottles then casually placing them
back into locations. A man named James
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William Lewis sent a letter to Johnson
and Johnson, claiming responsibility for the deaths
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and demanding a million dollars to stop. He lived in New York City and
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the police couldn't connect him to the
crimes. He was, however, charged
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with extortion and spent some time in
prison. A bar owner named Marty Sinclair
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reported that one of his patrons could
be the suspect. Roger Arnold, frequented
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the bar and had made comments that
led Sinclair to believe that he was guilty
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of the crimes. When the police
searched Arnold's house, they found a book
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called The poor Man's James Bond,
which contained instructions for making potassium cyanide,
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but they didn't find anything linking him
to the actual crime. After the investigation,
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Arnold waited with a gun in hand
for Sinclair. When he stepped out,
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he shot and killed him. Only
it wasn't Sinclair, it was a
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random, innocent man. So both
possible suspects ended up in prison, but
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neither for the crimes the police were
originally investigating. With no one in custody,
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who's to say that the crisis had
ended. Over the next few years,
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hundreds of copycats emerged involving over the
counter medications perhaps all the perpetrators were
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hoping that the original individual would take
the blame for another crime committed. I'm
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sure to them it seemed like a
good plan, But instead, many of
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those murders were solved and quite a
few scorned lovers ended up in prison.
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When thailand All Extra Strength was finally
reintroduced to the market, it was triple
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sealed to prevent tampering. A terrifying
string of events led to reforms and packaging
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over the counter drugs and federal anti
tampering laws. In nineteen eighty three,
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it was made a federal offense to
tamper with products meant for consumption. In
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nineteen eighty nine, new guidelines for
packaging of products meant for consumption were put
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into place. In nineteen ninety one, Johnson and Johnson reached an undisclosed sum
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to be paid out to the family
of the individuals that died in Chicago.
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The agreement was not the business taking
responsibility for the deaths, but rather wanting
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to help the families and encouraging everyone
to put the terrible events behind them.
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In twenty ten, with new DNA
testing methods available, they once again tested
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the DNA from Arnold and Lewis against
the DNA found on the taylan All bottles.
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They were not a match. Not
only was it disappointing that they didn't
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match, but if the person that
committed the crime had ever been convicted of
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another crime, their DNA should be
in the system. So to have the
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DNA on the bottles but never being
able to link it to a person is
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a mystery in itself. Did the
individual never commit another crime or did they
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become more careful with their methods to
not leave any evidence behind. It leaves
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the big question what was the motive
behind the Chicago murders? Was therein intended
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victim and all the other casualties were
just unfortunate mishaps. There's still not a
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definite answer, though it does raise
other questions. How many items are in
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our cabinets, pantries and refrigerators that
could have been tampered with without us even
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knowing. They never did charge anyone
with the crimes. When we think about
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what it takes to get a product
from production to market, there could be
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endless possibilities. The product starts in
a facility, goes through a warehouse and
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packaging, and get shipped and delivered
and stocked and picked up and put down
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by consumers until finally purchased and handed
to a cashier. It makes you stop
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and think that our society must be
extremely trusting in people when we think about
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the amount of hands that have contact
with any given product. Maybe we should
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just hope that most people are good
and honest, because it seems that the
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hands that caused the Chicago tail in
all murders just wanted to spark chaos and
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watch it burn. That's ten minute
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human beings from doing bad things to
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don't necessarily calls harm to other people
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But why what keeps us from doing
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religion. For others, it's just
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I think I just feel empathetic when
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if you're a piece of trash.
I feel bad that you're a piece of
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trash. And there is a religious
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also a karma element for me.
And that's where I'm getting to when I'm
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talking about what was going through my
head, this entire story that I was
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telling it, and it's one line
from a song. I was singing the
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whole song in my head, but
one line of it is the reason karma
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is a relaxing thought. And yes, that's a Taylor Swift song, but
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karma is a relaxing thought because if
you believe that karma is a real thing,
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and you actively try to be a
decent person, then karma is a
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relaxing thought. You don't have to
get even with other people. You don't
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have to go out of your way
to ruin someone's day because they harmed you
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in some way. Karma is a
relaxing thought. Okay, now that I'm
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quoting Taylor Swift, I think it's
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