Oct. 5, 2024

The Horrors of Cromwell Street: Fred and Rose West

The Horrors of Cromwell Street: Fred and Rose West

The Horrors of Cromwell Street: Fred and Rose West

What happens when one of the most notorious killer couples in history turns on each other? In this episode, we’re diving into the shocking, twisted world of Fred and Rose West. From Fred’s dark...

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The Horrors of Cromwell Street: Fred and Rose West

What happens when one of the most notorious killer couples in history turns on each other? In this episode, we’re diving into the shocking, twisted world of Fred and Rose West. From Fred’s dark childhood to the horrifying crimes they committed together on Cromwell Street, we’re unpacking all the gruesome details. We’ll take you through their disturbing secrets, Fred’s chilling confession, and how Rose coldly betrayed him in the end. Think you know this story? Think again—this is one of the most disturbing true crime cases to ever come out of the UK.


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What happens when love turns into something far more sinister.

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Today we're diving into the disturbing world of Fred and

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Rose West, a couple whose horrific crimes shocked Britain. Fred's

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violent upbringing and dark secrets set the stage for a

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life of unimaginable cruelty, and when Rose entered the picture,

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things only got worse. Together they unleashed horrors behind closed

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doors that would span decades, leaving a trail of victims

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and a legacy of fear. But in the end, it

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wasn't just their crimes that shocked the world. It was

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their betrayal of each other. Let's unravel the terrifying story

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of Fred and Rose West. Welcome to ten minute Murder.

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If looks can kill, then what can a call and

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very public dismissal do. That was the question a husband

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facing his wife in the British courts would find out

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in the mid nineteen nineties. The man himself was Frederick

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Walter Stephen West, otherwise known as Fred West. He was

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born on the twenty ninth of September nineteen forty one

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on a farm in Herefordshire. With a name like that,

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I don't have to tell you, it's England. His parents

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were Walter Stephen West and Daisy Hannah Hill, and he

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was born into a world of extremes. On one side

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was his father, a cold and strict disciplinarian, and on

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the other side was his mother, a woman forever changed

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by the grief of losing other children before she would

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have Fred. This made her an overly cautious and protective woman,

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and one who would spoil her surviving children. But Fred

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had a very special place in her heart. He was

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her favorite child, the apple of her eye. Fred found

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did easier and more fulfilling to stay at home with

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her than he did going to school, where he achieved

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poor grades and had no friends. He actually left school

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at the age of fifteen, and by then he was

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barely literate and his only future job prospects were working

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on the family farm. He was a socially awkward and

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stifled young man, but when he began going out to

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clubs with his younger brother John, his true nature would

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begin to emerge. Fred would often walk up to women

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and begin groping them, usually before knowing or talking to

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them beforehand. He later explained his actions by saying, I'm

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automatically attracted to beautiful and just start kissing them. It's

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like a magnet. Just kiss I don't even wait. When

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you're a star, they let you do it. You can

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do anything. Okay, he didn't really say that. Someone else

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said that, but he later explained his actions. Fred West did,

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in a claim that was denied by another of his brothers,

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that his view toward women and what was appropriate behavior

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towardwards them had already been shaped and warped by this

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stage of his life, and the culprit he blamed was

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none other than his overprotective mother herself. Fred claimed that

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his mother had introduced him to sex when he was

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only twelve years old. He also claimed that watching his

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very own father rape and molest his daughters led him

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to believe that this behavior was perfectly normal. However, we

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have to take these accounts with the grain of salt.

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Fred was also known to be a pathological liar, and

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it's possible that he created these events in his childhood

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to justify the unbelievably cruel deeds that were to come

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further down the line. We do, however, have the hospital

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records that can substantiate two major events in Fred's life.

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The first happened when he was seventeen years old, he

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was involved in a motorcycle accident. Fred was left with

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a fractured skull and was unconscious for an entire week.

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The second came only two years long later, when Fred

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would face the consequences of his actions. While out at

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a club with his brother John, Fred approached a young

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woman and grabbed her breast. Appalled, the woman turned around

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and punched Fred, sending him down two flights of stairs

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in the process. Fred ended up with another head injury,

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and his behavior went from bad to worse. In a

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later interview with the police, Fred admitted that since the

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age of twelve, he'd been regularly engaging in bestiality with

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the animals on the family farm, but that, unfortunately was

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not all that Fred was doing. It was in nineteen

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sixty one that Fred's thirteen year old sister, Kitty, approached

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their mother with a chilling and startling confession. It turned

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out that Fred had also been abusing his sister, and

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she was now pregnant. Fred was then arrested and openly

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admitted not only to abusing Kitty, but to many other

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young girls in the neighborhood as well. Kitty did dropped

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the charges against her brother, but he was kicked out

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of the family house all the same. Then, about a

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year later, Fred would rekindle an old flame. Her name

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was Catherine Costello, and she'd been one of the few

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women who'd actually appreciated Fred's advances at the clubs. They'd

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been in a relationship for a few months before Catherine,

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whose nickname was Rena, moved back to Scotland. When Rena

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returned to Fred, she was heavily pregnant with another man's child,

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but Fred agreed to take her in and raise the

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child as his own. They were quickly married, with Fred's

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younger brother John, his club buddy, being the only guest

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at the wedding. They then moved to Glasgow, where Fred

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and Rena would tell everyone that she had suffered a miscarriage.

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They then claimed to have adopted young baby Charmain, who

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was actually Rena's daughter, but felt the need to explain

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why Charmain was half Asian in a way that they

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believed didn't reflect poorly on them. This would only be

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the beginning of the racial abuse Charmain would experience from

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the pair of them for the rest of her life.

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Charmain was followed by another sister a year later. This time,

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Anna Marie was in fact Fred's biological child, but he

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treated her exactly the same way he treated poor Charmain.

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Using iron bars and a bed bunk, Fred constructed a

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cage in the girl's bedroom. They would be forced to

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stay in there whenever he was home to keep them

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out of Fred's way. He also continued to have long

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in numerous affairs with multiple women during the course of

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his marriage with Rena, but when Rena found out, instead

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of divorcing him, Rena began having an affair of her

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own with a man named John McLaughlin. When Fred found

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out about Rena's affair, things turned violent. Whenever Fred caught

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Rena with John, or even just suspected that she'd been

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seeing him, he would beat her. John would often show

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up at the home to then confront Fred, and an

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uneasy truce settled between them all. Fred moved the fanily

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to Gloucester, although it would take Rena a few months

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to follow him down there. When she did, though, she

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brought with her two teenage girls named Isha McNeil and

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Anne McFall. All three women, Fred and the girls lived

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together in a small trailer, and Fred quickly began viewing

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all of the women as his property. Anne was spared

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for the moment, but Fred would beat Rena and Aisha.

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He also pressured Rena into becoming a prostitute to keep

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the family afloat. It's believed that during this period of

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time he also began sexually abusing young charmain. Desperate, Rena

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then called John McLachlin and begged for help. He immediately

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agreed to come and get Rena and the girls, but

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their plans were foiled by Anne McFall. Upon finding out

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that Rena and Aish were running away, Anne reported them

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to Fred. He then raced to the meeting spot and

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told Rena that they were free to go, but the

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girls were staying with him. Reluctantly, Rena agreed, and she

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left with the warning that if she were to ever return,

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Fred would kill her. In July nineteen sixty seven, the

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then eighteen year old Anne was eight months pregnant with

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Fred's child when she suddenly and mysteriously disappeared. Only a

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month later, Rena was officially back in Fred's life and

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living in the family trailer again. This new attempt at

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rekindling Their relationship would only last for a year, and

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then Rena left for Glasgow again. Two years later, Fred

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approached a young woman sitting alone at a bus stop.

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Her name was Rosemary Lett's and she had only just

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turned fifteen years old when Fred began making advances. She

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dismissed him at first. She even at one point believed

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he was just a homeless man, but she softened when

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Fred weaved a story about being a poor widower. Rose

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then began spending more time at the West family trailer,

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and by the time she was sixteen years old, she

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was pregnant with Fred's child. There were, however, rumors that

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the father of the child was in fact her very

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own father, who had been diagnosed to schizophrenic. Rose ran

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away to live with Red permanently, and shortly after her daughter,

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Heather Anne West, was born. Unlike with his previous relationships,

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Fred had met his match. Instead of finding herself the

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victim of physical abuse, Rose became his partner. Together, they

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would dole out punishments on the girls, with Rose's punishments

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being the most severe. She was even known to turn

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on Fred and at least on one occasion came after

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him with a knife. But in the summer of nineteen

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seventy one, Fred was actually behind bars, and during that

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time firstborn daughter, Charmain, disappeared. Rose proclaimed that she'd gone

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to live with Rena in Scotland, and when Fred was

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released from prison, he corroborated Rose's story. He even told

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Anna Marie that Rena had intentionally taken Charmain and left

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Anna Marie quote she wouldn't want you love You're the

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wrong color. But Rena quickly realized that her daughter was

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missing and continued to visit Fred and Rose in the

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hopes of tracking her down. It was during one of

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these trips that Rena also disappeared. Fred and Rose were

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married only six months after Rena vanished, even though Fred

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was still technically and legally married to Rena. Months later,

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and Rose was pregnant again. While the family moved into

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a house on Cromwell Street. Upstairs, Rose would have her

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very own room, outside of which was a red light.

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If the light was on, she was not to be

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disturbed and was more than likely busy selling her services

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to both men and women. When Rose's father found out

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that his daughter was prostituting herself, he began visiting her too,

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Unlike with Rena, Fred wasn't pressuring Rose and to selling herself.

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Rose was doing so because she wanted to and had

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come to an agreement with Fred. They would even sometimes

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work together, or Fred would also watch through peep holes

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he drilled into the walls. By nineteen eighty three, Rose

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had eight children, and at least three of which had

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been fathered by her clients. Fred raised them all as

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his own, but all of the children in the household

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were subjected to the same treatment. When they reached the

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age of seven, each child was presented with a list

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of chores to do to keep both Fred and Rose happy,

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and it was usually around then that the sexual abuse

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would begin. When Anna Maria was eight years old, she

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was ordered down to the basement and told to strip.

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Rose herself then tied the girl to a mattress and

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gagged her. Fred then raped her, and when he was done,

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Rose followed Anna Maria to the bathroom. She then laughed

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and told her, I'm sorry. Everybody does it to every girl.

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It's a father's job. Anna Maria was also only thirteen

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years old when Fred and Rose forced her into prostitution.

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In nineteen seventy two, nineteen year old Linda Gough moved

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into the family home, believing that she was to be

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a live in nanny for the Wests. The very next day,

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both Fred and Rose began telling neighbors that they'd fired

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Linda for hitting one of the children. In nineteen seventy three,

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a fifteen year old girl named carol Ane Cooper went

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missing after a trip to the cinema with her boyfriend,

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and over the next year and a half, four more

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girls would go missing. In nineteen seventy eight, eighteen year

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old Shirley Robinson, who'd been living with the Wests, suddenly

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vanished as well. According to Rose, Shirley had been eight

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months pregnant with Fred's child and had moved back to

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live with her father in West Germany. In nineteen seventy nine,

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sixteen year old Allison Chambers also went missing from the

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West household, and then Anna Marie ran away. With Anna

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Marie gone, Fred turned to his other daughters and said,

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I've made you, I can do what I like with you.

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While Fred continued to sexually abuse his own daughters, he

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spared his sons. The same, However, could not be said

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for Rose. Eldest Stephen, was informed in no uncertain terms

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that he was expected to have slept with his own

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mother by the time he turned seventeen. The children did

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what they could to protect each other from the abuse,

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but in so many ways there was very little that

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they could actually do. Heather began showing visible signs of

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physical and sexual abuse, and teachers at her school noticed.

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When they asked Heather if she was all right, she

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told them everything. When the other children came home from

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school one day, Fred and Rose told them that Heather

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had gotten a job in another country and that she

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had already left. They told her that they didn't expect

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to be hearing from her anytime. Soon days turned into weeks,

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weeks into months and years, and Fred and Rose began quipping,

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you'll end up under the patio like Heather. Years went

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by and the other children in the house believed that

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the line was just a joke, but that all changed

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in nineteen ninety two. By then, rumors about a tape

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involving Fred and his third thirteen year old daughter, Louise

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led to a visit from the police. Louise corroborated the

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rumors about the abuse, which then led the police to

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interviews with both Fred and Rose. They managed to keep

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things together for the most part, but neither of them

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could keep their story straight about what happened to Heather.

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In early nineteen ninety four, the police showed up at

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the family home with a search warrant. As the police

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searched the property, Fred approached Stephen and said, look, son,

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look after mom and sell the house. I've done something

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really bad. I want you to go to the papers

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and make as much money as you can. He then

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told the police that he had killed Heather and she

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was in fact buried under the patio. According to Fred,

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he'd actually killed not just his daughter Heather, but Rena

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and Charmaine as well. Before he knew it, Fred had

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admitting to killing ten women, but he claimed that Rose

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had no involvement in the murders. Rose was arrested anyway,

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and in a flash, she turned on her husband. Probably

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as part of her own defense, Rose gave Fred the

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cold shoulder whenever they saw each other in court. She

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even visibly pulled away from him and winced when Fred

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attempted to touch her. Fred was heartbroken. He then completely

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changed his story and told the investigators that Rose had

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been an active part of the killings. He then wrote

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Rose a letter and hanged himself in his own prison.

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Cell Rose then had to face the courts on her own.

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She was found guilty and sentenced to ten life sentences

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without the possibility of parole. That is ten Minute Murder

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it again. I did that thing where I'm starting out

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trying to make this episode ten minutes and then before

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at this point. At some point I just checked out

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going to be. This rarely happens, but it's happened a

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couple of times within the last month, and that's my bad.

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you tell me what I could have left out of

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this story. There's a whole bunch that I didn't talk

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about because there is so much to talk about in

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this story. But I did the best I could, and

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fifteen or sixteen minutes was about it. All right, My apologies,

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