May 15, 2023
The Priestess of High Chaos

Witchcraft , magic, and murder by sword - Robert Schwartz lost his life when his daughter’s role-playing fantasy game was taken too far.
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Before his brutal murder, Robert Schwartz
was highly successful and well known in the
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scientific community. After his wife passed
away, he was left a single father
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to three children, Jesse, Katherine, Michelle, and the youngest Clara Jane.
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It was the eighth of December two
thousand and one when a car full
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of people arrived outside the farmhouse in
Virginia where Robert lived. The driver was
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twenty one year old Michael full and
his two passengers were his girlfriend, nineteen
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year old Katherine Inglis, and Kyle
Hulbert, an eighteen year old friend of
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Clara Jaynes. Clara herself was not
in the car. She had chosen to
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remain in her dorm at college,
while Michael, Katherine, and Kyle made
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the journey without her. Kyle had
met twenty year old Clara at a Renaissance
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festival earlier that same year, and
the two had quickly bonded over their mutual
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love of role playing games, the
goth culture, fantasy, and the occult.
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They were both fascinated with magic,
but by many accounts, Kyle had
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taken this a step too far.
He was diagnosed with both by polar disorder
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and schizophrenia, which blurred the lines
of reality for him and sometimes made him
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believe that he was much more powerful
than he was in fact. Before meeting
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Clara, he had been a psychiatric
patient a total of seven times for his
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paranoid delusions and suicidal tendencies. And
Kyle's head he was a warrior, and
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his role was to protect Clara Jane, who he'd quickly become very close to.
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He described Clara as his closest,
most dear friend and a sister as
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well. Clara, who studied computer
science at James Madison University, was known
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on campus as someone who both dressed
and acted in an alternative way. She
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was into the goth fashion and referred
to herself as the nickname Priestess of High
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Chaos. This was thought to be
a reference to the works of fantasy writer
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H. P. Lovecraft, in
particular the Cthulhu mythos, where chaos magicians
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are magic wielding individuals who don't follow
a particular moral code or set of rules.
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For chaos magicians, their only belief
is that nothing is true and everything
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is permitted. This meant that in
her own eyes and Kyle's eyes, there
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were no boundaries to Clara's power When
Kyle approached the door of the farmhouse on
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the cold, rainy night of December
eighth. Robert Schwartz recognized the teenager as
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a friend of his daughters and invited
him inside. Shortly afterwards, Kyle revealed
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the two foot long sword that he'd
brought with him. Quote, I know
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about your plans, he said,
you won't get away with it. He
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then stabbed and slashed at Robert more
than forty times, fatally injuring him.
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Leaving Robert's mutilated body where it fell. Kyle walked back to the car,
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where Katherine cleaned the blood off the
sword and wrapped the weapon in its howl.
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It took two days for the crime
to be discovered. Police were aware
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that an unknown person had made a
call to a tow truck company in the
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same window of time that Robert had
been killed, and the caller's car had
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been part close to the farmhouse.
As well as this, phone records showed
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that Clara had called Kyle shortly before
her father was killed. Although Clara had
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lied to the police, telling them
that she had not made or received any
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phone calls that night, there was
one other thing that Clara couldn't or wouldn't
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explain to the police. It was
a note in her dorm room addressed to
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the pseudonyms that she, Kyle,
Michael, and Katherine used in their role
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playing games, asking for true honor
to be bestowed upon their souls by high
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Chaos. Investigators believed that the note
was a thank you to her friends for
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carrying out the murder. The car's
driver was quickly identified as Michael full and
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police ordered Michael, Katherine, and
Kyle to come in for questioning. During
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Katherine's interrogation with law enforcement, she
made several statements that implied that Robert's own
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daughter, Clara Jane, had been
involved in the planning of his murder.
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According to Katherine, Clara had discussed
killing Robert on multiple occasions, reportedly because
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Clara believed that her father had tried
to poison her as well as domestically abusing
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her. Above all else, Clara's
motive for wanting her father dead was incredibly
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shallow. The two of them just
didn't get along that well. He didn't
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like the alternative goth clothing that she
wore, and he didn't approve of the
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fact that she spent so much time
alone in her room role playing and shutting
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herself away from the real world.
On the second of February two thousand and
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two, Clara Jane Schwartz was officially
indicted for her father, Robert's murder,
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and also faced charges for both solicitation
of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
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Katherine, Michael, and Kyle were
also indicted for their involvement in the killing.
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Kyle's family members were devastated, believing
that their mentally ill son had been
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taken advantage of and manipulated. They
described the hallucinations that Kyle suffered from,
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as well as his suicidal ideation and
desire to be accepted by others. His
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mother said quote, if Kyle sees
someone who needs something, if he can,
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he gives it to them. Out
of the four accomplices, Clara was
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the only one to go to trial. The prosecution described Clara as the ringleader
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of the group, a young woman
who was not afraid to manipulate others to
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get what she wanted, and in
this case, what she wanted was her
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father's death. She had previously tried
to have Robert killed by instructing one of
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her other friends to murder him,
but this plan had failed. According to
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prosecutors, Clara hated her father so
much that when the initial plan didn't come
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to fruition, she immediately began to
concoct a second plan to have him killed,
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and that's how Kyle Holbert became involved. Both of Clara's siblings made statements
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about how their father's murder had effected
their lives. Her brother, twenty five
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year old Jesse, told the jury
that he couldn't escape from daily thoughts of
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his father being brutally killed on his
sister's orders. Clara's older sister, Michele,
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shared that she now had a fear
of knives and suffered from nightmares where
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she's forced to watch her father die. Michele said, quote, It's been
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nothing but a nightmare since the day
I found out. It's hard enough that
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it was my father, but on
top of that, to have my sister
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committing such a horrible crime. Both
the prosecution and defense leaned heavily on Clara's
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obsession with a role playing game called
Underworld. According to prosecutors, Underworld had
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played a large role in Clara convinced
Kyle to carry out their murder, but
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the defense disagreed, saying that Clara's
instructions for her father's murder had been given
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in the context of role playing,
Kyle had been the one to take the
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game too far by attacking and killing
Robert in real life. The prosecution's rebuttal
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against this claim relied on a specific
witness, Patrick, the friend of Clara's
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who she had previously asked to murder
her father. Patrick took to the stand
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and shared with the jury that Clara
was obsessed with the idea of murdering her
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father, talked often about the large
sum of money she would inherit from his
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will, and on multiple occasions she
had researched natural toxins and chemicals that she
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could use to cause his death without
suspicion. Patrick had taken part in Underworld
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role playing with Clara, where he
had played the role of an assassin.
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Clara's character had asked Patrick's character to
assassinate her father. It didn't take long
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for the jury to come to their
conclusion. On the fifteenth of October two
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thousand and two, Clara Jane Schwartz
was found guilty a first degree murder and
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was sentenced to a forty eight year
prison sentence. Since then, she's tried
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to appeal her conviction or shorten her
sentence on many different occasions, but for
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now her release date is set at
November second, two thousand and forty three.
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As the accomplice who actually carried out
the murder and with an actual sword,
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no less, Kyle Holbert received a
life sentence without parole. Kyle's lawyer
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gave a statement to the public shortly
after his sentence was revealed where he said
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Clara was the puppet master and Kyle
Holbert was the puppet a people pleased her
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until the end. Kyle had elected
to plead guilty to the charges against him
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so that Clara's family would not have
to go through the trauma of sitting through
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a second trial. Michael full was
sentenced to eighteen years in prison, and
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Katherine Inglis received the shortest sentence of
the group, only one year of jail
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time for conspiracy to commit murder.
Clara Jayne's grandfather and Robert's father summed up
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Clara's actions perfectly in just one sentence. She had free choice, he said,
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and her choices were always the bad
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Before his brutal murder, Robert Schwartz
was highly successful and well known in the
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00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:23.000
scientific community. After his wife passed
away, he was left a single father
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00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:28.440
to three children, Jesse, Katherine, Michelle, and the youngest Clara Jane.
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It was the eighth of December two
thousand and one when a car full
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of people arrived outside the farmhouse in
Virginia where Robert lived. The driver was
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twenty one year old Michael full and
his two passengers were his girlfriend, nineteen
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year old Katherine Inglis, and Kyle
Hulbert, an eighteen year old friend of
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Clara Jaynes. Clara herself was not
in the car. She had chosen to
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remain in her dorm at college,
while Michael, Katherine, and Kyle made
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the journey without her. Kyle had
met twenty year old Clara at a Renaissance
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festival earlier that same year, and
the two had quickly bonded over their mutual
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love of role playing games, the
goth culture, fantasy, and the occult.
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They were both fascinated with magic,
but by many accounts, Kyle had
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taken this a step too far.
He was diagnosed with both by polar disorder
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00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.439
and schizophrenia, which blurred the lines
of reality for him and sometimes made him
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00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:32.359
believe that he was much more powerful
than he was in fact. Before meeting
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00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:37.040
Clara, he had been a psychiatric
patient a total of seven times for his
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00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:42.359
paranoid delusions and suicidal tendencies. And
Kyle's head he was a warrior, and
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00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:47.519
his role was to protect Clara Jane, who he'd quickly become very close to.
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He described Clara as his closest,
most dear friend and a sister as
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well. Clara, who studied computer
science at James Madison University, was known
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on campus as someone who both dressed
and acted in an alternative way. She
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00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:07.759
was into the goth fashion and referred
to herself as the nickname Priestess of High
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00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:12.960
Chaos. This was thought to be
a reference to the works of fantasy writer
25
00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:19.080
H. P. Lovecraft, in
particular the Cthulhu mythos, where chaos magicians
26
00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.479
are magic wielding individuals who don't follow
a particular moral code or set of rules.
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00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:30.479
For chaos magicians, their only belief
is that nothing is true and everything
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00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:35.840
is permitted. This meant that in
her own eyes and Kyle's eyes, there
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00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:40.240
were no boundaries to Clara's power When
Kyle approached the door of the farmhouse on
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the cold, rainy night of December
eighth. Robert Schwartz recognized the teenager as
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a friend of his daughters and invited
him inside. Shortly afterwards, Kyle revealed
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the two foot long sword that he'd
brought with him. Quote, I know
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about your plans, he said,
you won't get away with it. He
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then stabbed and slashed at Robert more
than forty times, fatally injuring him.
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Leaving Robert's mutilated body where it fell. Kyle walked back to the car,
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where Katherine cleaned the blood off the
sword and wrapped the weapon in its howl.
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It took two days for the crime
to be discovered. Police were aware
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that an unknown person had made a
call to a tow truck company in the
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same window of time that Robert had
been killed, and the caller's car had
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been part close to the farmhouse.
As well as this, phone records showed
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that Clara had called Kyle shortly before
her father was killed. Although Clara had
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lied to the police, telling them
that she had not made or received any
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phone calls that night, there was
one other thing that Clara couldn't or wouldn't
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explain to the police. It was
a note in her dorm room addressed to
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the pseudonyms that she, Kyle,
Michael, and Katherine used in their role
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playing games, asking for true honor
to be bestowed upon their souls by high
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Chaos. Investigators believed that the note
was a thank you to her friends for
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carrying out the murder. The car's
driver was quickly identified as Michael full and
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police ordered Michael, Katherine, and
Kyle to come in for questioning. During
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Katherine's interrogation with law enforcement, she
made several statements that implied that Robert's own
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daughter, Clara Jane, had been
involved in the planning of his murder.
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According to Katherine, Clara had discussed
killing Robert on multiple occasions, reportedly because
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Clara believed that her father had tried
to poison her as well as domestically abusing
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her. Above all else, Clara's
motive for wanting her father dead was incredibly
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shallow. The two of them just
didn't get along that well. He didn't
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like the alternative goth clothing that she
wore, and he didn't approve of the
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fact that she spent so much time
alone in her room role playing and shutting
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herself away from the real world.
On the second of February two thousand and
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two, Clara Jane Schwartz was officially
indicted for her father, Robert's murder,
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and also faced charges for both solicitation
of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
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Katherine, Michael, and Kyle were
also indicted for their involvement in the killing.
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Kyle's family members were devastated, believing
that their mentally ill son had been
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taken advantage of and manipulated. They
described the hallucinations that Kyle suffered from,
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as well as his suicidal ideation and
desire to be accepted by others. His
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mother said quote, if Kyle sees
someone who needs something, if he can,
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he gives it to them. Out
of the four accomplices, Clara was
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the only one to go to trial. The prosecution described Clara as the ringleader
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of the group, a young woman
who was not afraid to manipulate others to
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get what she wanted, and in
this case, what she wanted was her
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father's death. She had previously tried
to have Robert killed by instructing one of
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her other friends to murder him,
but this plan had failed. According to
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prosecutors, Clara hated her father so
much that when the initial plan didn't come
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to fruition, she immediately began to
concoct a second plan to have him killed,
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and that's how Kyle Holbert became involved. Both of Clara's siblings made statements
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about how their father's murder had effected
their lives. Her brother, twenty five
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year old Jesse, told the jury
that he couldn't escape from daily thoughts of
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his father being brutally killed on his
sister's orders. Clara's older sister, Michele,
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shared that she now had a fear
of knives and suffered from nightmares where
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she's forced to watch her father die. Michele said, quote, It's been
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nothing but a nightmare since the day
I found out. It's hard enough that
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it was my father, but on
top of that, to have my sister
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committing such a horrible crime. Both
the prosecution and defense leaned heavily on Clara's
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obsession with a role playing game called
Underworld. According to prosecutors, Underworld had
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played a large role in Clara convinced
Kyle to carry out their murder, but
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the defense disagreed, saying that Clara's
instructions for her father's murder had been given
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in the context of role playing,
Kyle had been the one to take the
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game too far by attacking and killing
Robert in real life. The prosecution's rebuttal
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against this claim relied on a specific
witness, Patrick, the friend of Clara's
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who she had previously asked to murder
her father. Patrick took to the stand
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and shared with the jury that Clara
was obsessed with the idea of murdering her
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father, talked often about the large
sum of money she would inherit from his
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will, and on multiple occasions she
had researched natural toxins and chemicals that she
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could use to cause his death without
suspicion. Patrick had taken part in Underworld
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role playing with Clara, where he
had played the role of an assassin.
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Clara's character had asked Patrick's character to
assassinate her father. It didn't take long
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for the jury to come to their
conclusion. On the fifteenth of October two
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thousand and two, Clara Jane Schwartz
was found guilty a first degree murder and
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was sentenced to a forty eight year
prison sentence. Since then, she's tried
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to appeal her conviction or shorten her
sentence on many different occasions, but for
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now her release date is set at
November second, two thousand and forty three.
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As the accomplice who actually carried out
the murder and with an actual sword,
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no less, Kyle Holbert received a
life sentence without parole. Kyle's lawyer
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gave a statement to the public shortly
after his sentence was revealed where he said
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Clara was the puppet master and Kyle
Holbert was the puppet a people pleased her
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until the end. Kyle had elected
to plead guilty to the charges against him
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so that Clara's family would not have
to go through the trauma of sitting through
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a second trial. Michael full was
sentenced to eighteen years in prison, and
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Katherine Inglis received the shortest sentence of
the group, only one year of jail
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time for conspiracy to commit murder.
Clara Jayne's grandfather and Robert's father summed up
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Clara's actions perfectly in just one sentence. She had free choice, he said,
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and her choices were always the bad
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